Wednesday, January 5, 2011

DARK-AGES WARRIORS

"... Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State..." -- Thomas Jefferson, On New Year's Day in 1802

"I consider the Government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution of the United States from meddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises.... But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe, a day of fasting and praying. That is, I should indirectly assume to the United States an authority over religious exercises, which the Constitution has directly precluded them from.... Every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason and mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the United States, and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents." -- Thomas Jefferson

In 2008, DARK-AGES WARRIORS scored a victory when Barack Obama's opponent, a speech infringer, anti-gun, anti-capitalism, whose hero is dedicated Antitrust enforcer Theodore Roosevelt, the first POTUS to endorse the income tax and the inheritance tax who also endorsed socialized medicine, chose a gravitas-free puppet of THEOCRACY WARRIORS as running mate.

DARK-AGES WARRIORS remain popular:

1. Jim DeMint, Conservative of the Year 2010, evidently the Conservatives' 2012 presidential bet, is described by Wikipedia as a consistent supporter of school prayer. DeMint advocates STATE-MANDATED RELIGIOUS INDOCTRINATION.

2. Sarah Palin, the darling of many Conservatives, is against the wall of separation between church and state.

3. Montana GOP want homosexuality declared illegal.

4. Colorado's Conservatives endorse Amendment 62 which regards the BIRTH CONTROL PILL AS MURDER.

5. Allen West, another favorite of Conservatives, holds abortion and PROCREATION as national security issues. Imagine a PATRIOT ACT on PROCREATION!

6. Conservatives on the Texas Education Board want Thomas Jefferson deleted from history.

"Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as it was in his Almighty power to do....

Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.....

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

-- Thomas Jefferson

180 comments:

Ilyn Ross said...

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Chris...t, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

-- Thomas Jefferson

Ilyn Ross said...

Demint: Rated 0% by the Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU), indicating opposition to church-state separation. (Dec 2006)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/jim_demint.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_06n-AU.htm

Ilyn Ross said...

One's personal stand on faith/non-faith or on anything is no one's business.

The issue is freedom. Government is force. Force against non-force, e.g. faith/non-faith, economics, science, education, media, art, is EVIL.

If DeMint wants to advocate religious values, he is free to do so in the PRIVATE, i.e. COERCION-FREE, sector. That he wants to do so in the realm of FORCE makes him a tyrant-wannabe.

Ilyn Ross said...

"... the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature….” -- James Garfield

This goes with the executive branch, too, and any government office.

Ilyn Ross said...

"A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular; and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inferences." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:388, Papers 12:440

Without the man who uttered the words "WALL OF SEPARATION between Church & State", tyrant-wannabes, like Palin, West, DeMint and their admirers, would be saying - "There are NO RIGHTS mentioned in the Constitution.

Ilyn Ross said...

Government is FORCE. Religious freedom means there should be NO FORCE involved whatsoever. So, there should be ZERO government involvement.

Anyone is free to advocate religion or morality in the PRIVATE sector.

Ilyn Ross said...

Government is FORCE. Freedom is the absence of force. Hence, government/force should be totally out of non-force realms like religion.

Good people use ONLY reason and persuasion to advance their values. Those who lust to use force, e.g. government, are EVIL.

Ilyn Ross said...

Thomas Jefferson said: “Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments.”

To remove the use of force from citizen interactions so that individuals may deal with each other only by reason and persuasion, citizens delegate their right to self-defense to their government. Citizens cannot delegate a right they do not possess – hence, the government has no right to regulate inherent inalienable Rights, including the rights of individuals who hold that selfishness is a virtue. -- Royal Serf

Hence, the government has no right to inject itself in faith/non-faith or in any non-force realm.

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin said: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state..."

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=palin%27s+speech+with+the+women+of+joy&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b

Ilyn Ross said...

“In her new book, "America by Heart," … Palin… is upset that Kennedy, rather than presenting a reconciliation of his private faith and his public role, had instead offered an "unequivocal divorce of the two."” -- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120303209.html

Ilyn Ross said...

MIXING faith and force/government is THEOCRACY.

Palin and her ilk would burn Galileos at the stake.

Ilyn Ross said...

Jefferson wrote as clear as a sunny day, "without the aid of sophisms" -

‎"I do not like... the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact t...riable by the laws of the land and not by the law of nations." -- TJ to JMadison, 1787

Ilyn Ross said...

From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography: "In 1769, I became a member of the legislature by the choice of the county in which I live, and so continued until it was closed by the Revolution. I made one effort in that body for the PERMISSION OF THE EMANCIPATION OF SLAVES, which was rejected: and indeed, during the regal government, nothing liberal could expect success."

http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff01.txt

Ilyn Ross said...

"Under the law of nature, all men are born free." -- Thomas Jefferson

http://www.facebook.com/notes.php?id=1346466773&notes_tab=app_2347471856#!/note.php?note_id=448688452083

Ilyn Ross said...

Jefferson on gossips: 'I should have fancied myself half guilty had I condescended to put pen to paper in refutation of their falsehoods, or drawn them respect by any notice from myself.'

Ilyn Ross said...

Facts about the Jefferson gossiper -

"One of the victims of the Sedition Act [enacted during John Adams' presidency] who was pardoned by President Jefferson in 1801 was James Thomson Callendar, a Republican journalist who had been an unrele......nting critic of the Federalists during the last presidential campaign. But Callendar wanted more than a pardon: later that year he plainly told James Madison, the new Secretary of State, that he hoped to be appointed postmaster in Richmond, Virginia."

"When it became clear that he was not going to be offered any government post, the embittered Callendar sought revenge by going to work for a Federalist newspaper in Richmond. In March 1802, he began publishing various charges against Republican leaders in Congress and certain members of the Cabinet. By autumn he was training his guns on the President [Thomas Jefferson]."

http://www.liberty1.org/defense.htm

Ilyn Ross said...

The malevolent gossips about Jefferson have been disproven.

THOMAS JEFFERSON: A DEFENSE OF HIS CHARACTER -- http://www.liberty1.org/defense.htm

Ilyn Ross said...

"While Jefferson did not free all of his slaves on his death (as did Washington), a law passed in Virginia in 1806 required that the legislature pass a special bill that would attest to the exemplary behavior of each slave to be freed. If freed, THE SLAVE HAD TO LEAVE THE STATE WITHOUT HIS OR HER FAMILY.

Jefferson tried unsuccessfully to get this law changed. Further, Jefferson trained his slaves in skills that would be useful when they were free. He believed that to free them first would be irresponsible -- since they would be homeless and without family."

http://www.liberty1.org/defense.htm

Ilyn Ross said...

This is the Jeremiah Wright moment of a Republican: are you with the American Revolutionaries or are you paving the way back to the Dark Ages?

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2010/03/thomas-jefferson-mind-of-american.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"The Montana Republican Party has declared that homosexuality should be made illegal."

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-san-francisco/montana-republicans-say-homosexuality-should-be-illegal

Ilyn Ross said...

Republicans propose to make it illegal to be gay in Montana

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/18/republicans-propose-make-illegal-gay-montana/

Ilyn Ross said...

Allen West 2010 @ 4:24

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dllRiR98Dw

Ilyn Ross said...

Slavery was OBTRUDED on the Colonies by King George III. Thomas Jefferson INHERITED slaves. It was AGAINST THE LAW TO FREE THEM. When he was 26 years old, chosen for the first time to be a member of a legislature, he submitted a bill for the EMANCIPATION of ALL slaves. As a lawyer in 1770, age 27, Jefferson defended a slave, saying: "Under the law of nature, all men are born free."

http://www.facebook.com/notes.php?id=1346466773&notes_tab=app_2347471856#!/note.php?note_id=448688452083

Ilyn Ross said...

Thomas Jefferson - The Mind of the American Revolution -- http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2010/03/thomas-jefferson-mind-of-american.html

FB page - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1346466773&ref=profile#!/pages/Thomas-Jefferson-The-Mind-of-the-American-Revolution/367591548897

Ilyn Ross said...

Jefferson's Notes on Virginia: "Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged; how can we wish others to indulge it while we refuse ourselves? But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the infallibility of establishments?"

Ilyn Ross said...

Robert Bentley, the new Republican governor of Alabama, says, "Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother..."

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/republican_party/index.html?story=%2Fpolitics%2Fwar_room%2F2011%2F01%2F18%2Falabama_governor_christians

Ilyn Ross said...

Religion is a non-force realm, whereas, government is FORCE. Those who push religion in a government setting are very misguided. They evade that any religion-based practice/policy in a government setting is COERCION.

Ilyn Ross said...

Progressivism is SUBJECTIVISM. It is ANTI-REALITY. In essence, there are 3 schools of thought on the nature of the good: the intrinsic, the subjective, & the objective.

The intrinsic theory holds that the good is inherent in certain things/actions as such. If a man believes that an action is good in/by/of itself, he won't hesitate to FORCE others to perform them. DARK-AGES WARRIORS go by the intrinsic theory.

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2011/01/dark-ages-warriors.html

Ilyn Ross said...

ANTI RIGHTS: "to whom much is given, much is expected" - http://pledge.gop.gov/

"To take from one bec. it is thought that his own industry & that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry & skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association - the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry & the fruits acquired by it." - Thomas Jefferson

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CdTnKWury0

James Lankford says @ 2:43, "I strongly support defining life at conception." That is akin to saying, "The sun revolves around the Earth."

REALITY is the ARBITER. A person with NO BRAIN ACTIVITY is NO LONGER ALIVE. The zygote as well as the embryo has no central nervous system, hence has no brain activity, hence it is not yet an actual living human.

Ilyn Ross said...

Government is FORCE, whereas God is in the realm of reason & persuasion. Legislators, like Lankford, should not ram down their religion-based beliefs.

Those who vote for people who would use COERCIVE POWER to advance their religion-based beliefs have the MARK of EVIL: the advocacy or sanction of coercion.

Ilyn Ross said...

Government is FORCE, whereas God is in the realm of reason & persuasion. Legislators/goverment-people who would use COERCIVE POWER to advance their religion-based beliefs, & those who vote for them, have the MARK of EVIL: the advocacy or sanction of COERCION.

Ilyn Ross said...

Ron Paul is a Libertarian. The founding principle of the Libertarian Party is anarchism. Like Obama, he bashes the USA -

"They're Terrorists Because We're Occupiers!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Y_58LwYBw

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dllRiR98Dw

Starting @ 4:24, West evinces irrationality and POWER LUST.

West has no respect for women. He cannot conceive of using technology to win wars - he would rather have a PATRIOT ACT on PROCREATION. Women are not breeders.

Ilyn Ross said...

I wish Ron Paul is not anti-choice and not anti-justified-war.

Thomas Jefferson engaged in the Barbary War two months into his 1st presidency - he crushed the INITIATION of FORCE. W/ peaceful nations, or w/ those not hostile to the US, his policy was: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJLjni29lw8&feature=player_embedded

Ilyn Ross said...

The pedophilia-condoner pope holds that capitalism is worse than marxism. He blames the PROFIT motive for all the world’s problems, and calls for a worldwide REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH by a world government as the solution.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/pope-calls-for-a-new-world-order-20090709-ddic.html

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2009/11/glenn-beck-is-pro-theocracy.html

Ilyn Ross said...

The PRO-ZYGOTE blank out the life of the pregnant human being; they champion destroying the life of an actual human being, most of the time: a young girl; they advocate FORCE – advocate forcing a female human being to go through a lifetime paying for a mistake. They are, certainly, NOT pro-life. They lust for a theocracy.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pence-nation-will-not-stand-life-will-no

Ilyn Ross said...

DARK-AGES WARRIOR Michele Bachmann is ANTI THOMAS JEFFERSON. She advocates COERCED religious (intelligent design) indoctrination of school children.

This THEOCRACY WARRIOR is trying to destroy the Republican Party, and have Obama reelected.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/25/unusual-bachmann-rebuttal-scramble-gop-message-obama-address/

KLV said...

The problem of indoctrination comes in when we allow the government to have a monopoly on the education of our children. It only follows that those in government will be tempted to teach our children what they choose rather than what we choose.

As to the Jefferson "Wall" between Church and State, this is one of the most misused statements by a Founding Father. The context of his statement is important. The 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

That is "Congress" as in the Federal Legislature of the land. This did NOT mean the states, which to this day still have the authority over government education (the Federal Government now is able to extort the States into following Federal diktats through the power of Federal monies via the Federal Income Tax). As further evidence that this did not apply to the States, in the Supreme Court Case, Barron vs. Baltimore in 1833, the high court confirmed that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the States, only to the Federal Government.

So in effect Jefferson's statement was more about the concept of a limited Federal Government (e.g., the 9th and 10th Amendments) rather than a strict separation of Church and State at all levels of government. He felt the issue was one left to the state and local governments, which were more likely to be responsive to the people.

Further evidence that Jefferson was only referring to the Congress in his letter to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut is his statement he made at his second inaugural address:

"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the constitution independent of the power of the federal government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies"
(Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address)

Here is also another quote of Jefferson's confirming his views:

"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling in religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must rest with the States, as far as it can be in any human authority"
(letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808).

It wasn't until the reconstruction amendments, specifically the 14th Amendment, was most of the Bill of Rights extended to the States, which was more about making sure former slaves were given full rights as citizens of the United States, than it was about extending the separation of church and state to the state and local governments.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barron_v._Baltimore

The Mythical "Wall of Separation": How a Misused Metaphor Changed Church–State Law, Policy, and Discourse
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/06/the-mythical-wall-of-separation-how-a-misused-metaphor-changed-church-state-law-policy-and-discourse

Ilyn Ross said...

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" ~ Samuel Adams

The Declaration of Independence is crystal - "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

1) "Governments are instituted" -> The ONLY proper function of all freedom-based governments, general or particular, federal or state, is "to secure these rights", among which is religious freedom.

Freedom is the absence of force in all non-force realms, e.g. religious beliefs, e.g. intelligent design.

2) "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" -> citizens cannot delegate a right they do not possess. No one has a right to RAM DOWN his/her religious beliefs. It follows that NO government, federal nor state, has a delegated power to FORCE a single individual, e.g. a child in school, to study a religious belief like intelligent design.

Ilyn Ross said...

The First Amendment was ratified by the states, thus, the enumerated rights therein are guaranteed to ALL Americans.

"... Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that ACT OF THE WHOLE AMERICAN PEOPLE which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a WALL OF SEPARATION between Church & State..." -- Thomas Jefferson, On New Year's Day in 1802

Ilyn Ross said...

The Religious Freedom instituted by Thomas Jefferson in Virginia is applicable to all states, to all countries, desirous of freedom -

The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

Ilyn Ross said...

Science is based on reality and reason. It is objective.

Intelligent design is based on faith, on something that has no proof. It is subjective. It is mystical.

Ilyn Ross said...

Bachmann/Palin/West/DeMint/DARK-AGES-WARRIOR 2012 = Obama until Jan-2017 or beyond (i.e. King Obama)

KLV said...

Did you not read anything I posted? Clearly you are beating a dead horse by continuing to repeat the same misinterpreted statement. Repeating the statement, doesn't change the meaning and the context within which it was said.

Jefferson clearly stated that religion was best left to the States and the Church. The "Wall of Separation" was between the Federal Government and Religion/State Authority on Religion. There where even a number of States, which had official religions. For example Massachusetts funded the Congregational Church up until 1833.

The "Congress" is the Congress of the United States. It doesn't say the States or the State Legislatures. There is only one Congress of the land within the context of the Constitution.

You are subscribing to a Progressive/Socialist misinterpretation and twisting of Jefferson's words.

As to the Bill of Rights, the States ratified them but as I said, and the Supreme Court confirmed this in 1833, that the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states, so continuing to argue otherwise is rather disingenuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barron_v._Baltimore

As to the laws in Virginia, they do not change the Constitution of the United States, nor are they applicable to other States in the Union. You might as well cite the laws of Australia.

Ilyn Ross said...

Jeffersonians will NOT vote for a DARK-AGES-WARRIOR because THEOCRACY is the worst scourge of mankind.

KLV said...

That's irrelevant to the argument. You taking a statement made by Jefferson very much out of context to justify your accusations. A failure to understand history is the reason why we are where we are. Don't continue to perpetuate the lie just because it serves your agenda.

Ilyn Ross said...

KLV, your comments evince what you are.

KLV said...

... and what would that be?

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/23/ten-commandments-restored-at-virginia-schools/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Based on equal rights, Muslims can then demand that Sharia law and Wahhabism are given equal prominence in Virginia public schools.

No one has the right to IMPOSE his/her religion or religion-based values on anyone. Public schools are owned by the government, the entity that holds the monopoly on COERCIVE POWER.

The advocacy or sanction of coercion is the MARK of EVIL.

KLV said...

You mistake my argument. I am not arguing that we should allow "religious" teaching in public schools. As I stated the 14th Amendment requires the States to adhere to the Bill of Rights and I would presume the 1st Amendment.

My issue is with your using a Progressive/Socialist misinterpretation of the words of Thomas Jefferson and one of the key fundamentals of the original Constitution, i.e., the rights the states retain because of the limitations on the Federal Government, as the basis for your argument.

Progressives manipulate history to justify their current agenda. Conservatives depend on facts and logic.

Ilyn Ross said...

This country was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Individual Rights are not subject to a public vote - this is an essential in a Republic.

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its stren...gth, and by acting on the law of the strongest, breaks up the foundations of society." - Thomas Jefferson

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-am-a-Jeffersonian/102951273112979?v=wall#!/note.php?note_id=453914247083&id=1346466773

Ilyn Ross said...

Those who support state-mandated indoctrination are ANTI-FREEDOM.

The University of Virginia is the first school of higher education without religious instruction. "Jefferson even went so far as to ban the teaching of Theology altogether. In a letter to Thomas Cooper in October 1814, Jefferson stated, "a professorship of theology should have no place in our institution" and, true to form, the University never had a Divinity school or department, and was established independent of any religious sect."

Those who FORCE religion-based beliefs on kids are THEOCRATIC.

KLV said...

What you have stated is irrelevant the actually meaning of Jefferson's words and the Constitution. You can rationalize it all you want, but you are trying to change history.

Progressive/Socialists manipulate history in order to justify their arguments and agenda. This blog is named "Reason Reigns". It's rather ironic that you subscribing to a historical manipulation in order to make your argument.

Ilyn Ross said...

"For I go where no slave before the oppressor bends…" - Dr. José Rizal, EXECUTED by CHRISTIAN THEOCRATS at age 35.

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1280837264812&set=a.1268872285695.139307.1346466773

KLV said...

Again, you are just dancing around the point of my argument. My argument isn't a theological argument, its not an argument to include religion in schools. It is an argument specifically about the meaning of Thomas Jefferson's words to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut. It is pretty plain and simple.

Ilyn Ross said...

A school district in southwestern Virginia is re-posting copies of the Bible’s Ten Commandments in all county schools - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/23/ten-commandments-restored-at-virginia-schools/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

The University of Virginia is the first school of higher education without religious instruction. "Jefferson even went so far as to ban the teaching of Theology altogether. In a letter to Thomas Cooper in October 1814, Jefferson stated, "a professorship of theology should have no place in our institution" and, true to form, the University never had a Divinity school or department, and was established independent of any religious sect."

Thomas Jefferson did not want to impose anything religious on ADULTS.

Whereas, this school district craves to INDOCTRINATE children.

KLV said...

Again, dancing around my argument. I provided specific quotes from Thomas Jefferson, which specifically said that religion was best left to the States and Religions institutions. You keep trying to rationalize your claim of this fictional "wall" by posting irrelevant facts.

What one thinks should be done, is different than allowing others the freedom to determine what is done. Jefferson's opinion on religion is irrelevant as to the Federal Government. Since he believed the Federal Government did not have the right to be pro religion nor anti religion, it was up to the states to make that determination.

If people didn't like living in one state, they could move to another state.

Ilyn Ross said...

KLV, I posted some of my fb comments - I wasn't responding to you.

Please make your point again - what do you want me to discuss with you?

Ilyn Ross said...

Freedom prohibits GOVERNMENT, federal or state, from injecting itself on non-force realms. Since government is FORCE, religious expressions are prohibited in GOVERNMENT settings.

Ilyn Ross said...

Some equate abhorrence of THEOCRACY with hatred of religion. This is willful EVASION.

Just as the theocracy in IRAN is evil, Christian theocracy is evil as well.

Ilyn Ross said...

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." - signed by John Adams

US Treaty with Tripoli
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013aa1q6QgM

Ilyn Ross said...

"The GOP has become the party of theocracy warriors: the moral descendants of the persecutors of Galileo, an advocate of reality, reason, & truth. The GOP wants the right to impose religious dogma like the no-abortion policy. Admiring Ronald Reagan, it wants freedom from Thomas Jefferson - it craves freedom towards theocracy." - Apollo, Royal Serf

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2011/01/dark-ages-warriors.html

Ilyn Ross said...

In Galileo’s time, his mind soared to the heavens, but the enemies of reason convicted him with a crime punishable by death at the stake. The Republican Party, hijacked by theocracy warriors, would lead the USA to Galileo’s time. The Democratic Party is socialist. It demands unchosen service – service to others as one’s duty – beyond question and beyond personal choice. - Apollo, Royal Serf

Ilyn Ross said...

Public does not equate to government. Churches, temples, and the kind are usually open to the PUBLIC. There are religious services shown on tv - very PUBLIC. Fox News has a priest as a contributor - this is public.

Based on religious freedom, there should be no religion-based displays/events/policies in any GOVERNMENT setting. Based on EQUAL rights, atheists, theists, deists, Christians, or Muslims must not be favored by the GOVERNMENT in any way.

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dllRiR98Dw

Starting @ 4:24, West evinces irrationality and POWER LUST.

West has no respect for women. He cannot conceive of using technology to win wars - he would rather have a PATRIOT ACT on PROCREATION. Women are not breeders.

Ilyn Ross said...

Being pro-zygote is being anti-rights. The zygote has no central nervous system; since a human with no brain activity is NOT ALIVE, the zygote is not yet an actual living human.

West holds abortion and PROCREATION as NATIONAL SECURITY issues. West would relegate women to being breeders.

Ilyn Ross said...

51-46 is close. If Dark-Ages warriors prevail in the Republican primary, or if they lose and their candidate runs as a Dark-Ages candidate: Obama will be reelected and he will become King Barack.

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2011/02/08/new-poll-finds-only-25-of-americans-would-definitely-vote-to-re-elect-barack-obama-as-president-cnn/

Ilyn Ross said...

I posted on Rand Paul's fb page:

Senator: You are doing great.

But I abhor your support of the Life at Conception Act and your opposition to abortion, especially those in cases of rape and incest (from wikipedia).

Life at Conception is irrational. The embryo has no central nervous system; since a human with no brain activity is not alive, a zygote or an embryo is not yet an actual living human. With all due respect, you are abhorrently irrational in your lust to subject victims of rape or incest, or young girls, to a lifetime of torture.

Ilyn Ross said...

Every private citizen is free to use reason and persuasion in any realm. But wielders of coercive power must stay out of non-force realms like religion-based values.

What I fight is the use of force, e.g. the government, in any non-force realm like religion, economics, science, education, media, etc. No politician in his/her capacity as a wielder of coercive power should advocate for non-force realms in a government setting.

Ilyn Ross said...

Allen West: Theocracy warrior. Pro-Patriot-Act. Now, he is praising stimulus-funded projects.

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/blog_post/show/2024

Ilyn Ross said...

The Names of the 92 House Republicans That Votes Against Cutting Government Spending

Read more at NetRightDaily.com: http://netrightdaily.com/2011/02/the-names-of-the-92-house-republicans-that-votes-against-cutting-government-spending/#ixzz1EWV6FWBS

Allen West is among them.

Ilyn Ross said...

From Sharon G: ‎"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant & the rule of law under God is acknowledged." -Reagan

US theocracy warriors don't advocate, "Freedom prospers when Sharia is vibrant & the rule of law under Allah is acknowledged."

Atheists & theists have EQUAL rights. A gov't official who advocates for religion has the MARK of EVIL. A religion advocate should stay in the private sector.

Ilyn Ross said...

The pedophilia-condoner pope calls for a worldwide REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH by a world government.

http://signsofthelastdays.com/archives/pope-benedict-we-need-world-government

Ilyn Ross said...

Behold the anti-choice: DARK-AGES WARRIORS!

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/26/from-new-york-to-midwest-to-south-abortion-battle-heats-up/

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/14/tea-party-allen-west-censorship-media/

Allen West - SPEECH INFRINGER! Power luster!

And Newt Gingrich considers him VP material.

Ilyn Ross said...

Since government is FORCE, politicians who inject God in a government setting are THEOCRACY warriors, as are voters who support them.

Ilyn Ross said...

Romney: NOT a theocracy warrior, NOT a US basher. JOB CREATOR!

Ilyn Ross said...

"The outstanding political fact of the 1980s is the rise of the New Right, and its penetration of the Republican party under President Reagan.... What we are seeing is the medievalism of the Puritans all over again, but without their excuse of ignorance. We are seeing it on the part of modern Americans, who live not before the Founding Fathers' heroic experiment in liberty, but after it." - Dr. Peikoff

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5360&news_iv_ctrl=1225

Ilyn Ross said...

@ 0:39 - "censOring"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsUoQpOKlLw&feature=player_embedded

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the WikiLeaks exposés are embarrassing and awkward but would not significantly complicate US foreign policy. Yet, tyrant-wannabes PUFF UP with POWER LUST.

Ilyn Ross said...

The video just posted above stars speech-infringer Allen West.

Ilyn Ross said...

For easy cut and paste -

Obama became POTUS because his opponent was speech infringer, anti-gun, anti-capitalism McCain, whose hero is Antitrust enforcer Theodore Roosevelt, the first POTUS to endorse the income tax & the inheritance tax, who also endorsed socialized medicine. Topping the aforementioned, McCain chose a gravitas-free puppet of THEOCRACY WARRIORS as running mate.

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2011/01/dark-ages-warriors.html

Ilyn Ross said...

Arizona gov. defends Day of Prayer proclamation by Associated Press

http://ktar.com/category/local-news-articles/20110421/Arizona-gov.-defends-Day-of-Prayer-proclamation/

Ilyn Ross said...

Huckabee: DARK-AGES WARRIOR. He and his kind are destroying the GOP. They will gift King Barack with another term.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/31/mike-huckabee-david-barton/

Mike Huckabee Wants Every American To Be ‘Forced At Gun Point’ To Learn From Radical Historian

Ilyn Ross said...

Santorum is anti Declaration of Independence. He shamelessly distorts the Founding principles.

To value is a function of the self – it is selfish to care for loved ones; their well-being or happiness is not divorced from the valuer’s. That good people live and prosper is in one’s own self-interest. ...to cherish a society that respects individual rights is selfish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI&feature=share

Ilyn Ross said...

For easy cut & paste -

"A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every gov't on earth, general or particular; & what no just government should refuse, or rest on inferences." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787

W/o the man who uttered the words "WALL OF SEPARATION between Church & State", tyrant-wannabes, like Palin, would be saying - "There are NO RIGHTS mentioned in the Constitution."

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2011/01/dark-ages-warriors.html

Ilyn Ross said...

Romney won't sign abortion pledge - Kendra Marr
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57256.html

Kudos, Mr. Romney! Reason Reigns!

Ilyn Ross said...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion.html

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin @ 3:06 said: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state..."

She and her kind, as well as those who want her to replace Obama, have no respect for Thomas Jefferson nor for the American Revolutionaries.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/video-sarah-palins-speech-women-joy

Ilyn Ross said...

Via Kirk H. (thanks) - ‎"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." - James Madison

Ilyn Ross said...

"We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Govt." - James Madison

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions66.html

Ilyn Ross said...

The UVA is the 1st educational institution to offer astronomy, botany, & philosophy. Its School of Engineering & Applied Science was the 1st engineering school in the US to be part of a comprehensive university.

In the UVA, Jefferson implemented his vision that education shd be completely separate from religious doctrine.

Bachmann advocates COERCED religious indoctrination of school children.

Ilyn Ross said...

For fb cut & paste:

The UVA is the 1st educational institution to offer astronomy, botany, & philosophy. Its School of Engineering & Applied Science was the 1st engineering school in the US to be part of a comprehensive university.

In the UVA, Jefferson implemented his vision that education shd be completely separate from religious doctrine.

BACHMANN advocates COERCED religious indoctrination of school children.

Ilyn Ross said...

"… so long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men." - Voltairine de Cleyre

Ilyn Ross said...

In 2008, DARK-AGES WARRIORS scored a victory when Barack Obama's opponent, a speech infringer, anti-gun, anti-capitalism, whose hero is dedicated Antitrust enforcer Theodore Roosevelt, the first POTUS to endorse the income tax and the inheritance tax who also endorsed socialized medicine, chose a gravitas-free puppet of THEOCRACY WARRIORS as running mate.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gary-johnson-calls-family-leader-pledge-offensive-and-unrepublican

Ilyn Ross said...

ALLEN WEST: “There is NOTHING in the Constitution that refers to a ‘separation of church and state’”

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/allen-west-there-is-nothing-in-the-constitution-that-refers-to-a-separation-of-church-and-state/

Ilyn Ross said...

The ONLY proper function of government is "to secure [equal inherent inalienable] rights" - "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

“No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him."

“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Thus, a rights-respecter does not impose his morals on anyone who does not violate anyone's rights.

Ilyn Ross said...

From Justin Chadjsu: "Don't you try to tell me that this monster is a Christian. In 2007, Perry bypassed the state legislature and signed an executive order making Texas the only state in the nation to require 6th grade girls to receive a vaccination against a sexually-transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer. At the time, Perry's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was a lobbyist for Merck, the manufacturer of the vaccine. When conservative Christians protested, the legislature repealed his order. This among other controversies tells me he is nothing but a hypocrite who is using the Christian Right. It is all politics."

Ilyn Ross said...

Santorum says that the pursuit of happiness is harming America. He defines liberty as freedom with responsibility to OTHERS. He derides the ME-generation.

Here is a sentence with three MEs, which also discounts others: “I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

This definition of liberty is from the man whose principles were described by Abe Lincoln as: “the definitions and axioms of free society”: "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

This is from my second novel: “To value is a function of the self – it is selfish to care for loved ones; their well-being or happiness is not divorced from the valuer’s. That good people live and prosper is in one’s own self-interest. ...to cherish a society that respects individual rights is selfish.”

Selfish greed for my integrity
When I fight for Liberty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI&feature=share

Ilyn Ross said...

Santorum attacks Romney in his victory speech.

Santorum agrees with Obama, who says the Constitution is flawed and that he wants to fundamentally transform America. Santorum maligns the Founders, saying that the pursuit of happiness is harming America. He defines liberty as freedom with responsibility to OTHERS. Otherism is collectivism. Obama and Santorum are socialists.

Santorum derides the ME-generation, the kind of Patrick Henry. Here is a sentence with an I and three MEs: “I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Thomas Jefferson declared, "All men are created equal & INDEPENDENT." Independence = Freedom. "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

Obama and Santorum are anti independence, anti freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI&feature=share

Ilyn Ross said...

Like Palin, Santorum expressly attacks the separation of church and state. Like their fellow THEOCRACY warriors, they are anti Thomas Jefferson.

"A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular; and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inferences." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:388, Papers 12:440.

Without the man who uttered the words "WALL OF SEPARATION between Church & State", tyrant-wannabes, like Palin, Santorum, Fox News, and other DARK-AGES warriors, would be saying - "There are NO RIGHTS mentioned in the Constitution."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxWHCKDPiM&feature=player_embedded

Ilyn Ross said...

Santorum is a DARK-AGES warrior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e9dl6E2AjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPKt3c8S-w

Ilyn Ross said...

Personhood at conception [defeated twice in CO, and recently in MS] -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mississippi-anti-abortion-personhood-amendment-fails-at-ballot-box/2011/11/09/gIQAzQl95M_story.html

Ilyn Ross said...

Allen West's fundamentals are anti freedom. He is anti wall of separation and anti speech/press.

Unable to conceive of winning wars through technology, disregarding the facts that George Washington's ragtag army defeated a mighty empire and that Israel has been defeating all its neighbors combined, West holds that the US birth rate is a national emergency. Imagine a Patriot Act on procreation.

Undisciplined in possessing power, he was charged and fined by the military.

Ilyn Ross said...

Allen West's fundamentals are anti freedom. He is anti wall of separation and anti speech/press.

Unable to conceive of winning wars through technology, disregarding the facts that George Washington's ragtag army defeated a mighty empire and that Israel has been defeating all its neighbors combined, West holds that the US birth rate is a national emergency. Imagine a Patriot Act on procreation.

Undisciplined in possessing power, he was charged and fined by the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsUoQpOKlLw&feature=player_embedded

Ilyn Ross said...

Rand Paul is another DARK-AGES warrior. He must hold that the brain-dead are alive. Certainly, he is of "the sun revolves around the earth" THEOCRATS.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rand-paul-promotes-bill-to-8216end-abortion-on-demand-once-and-for-all8217

Ilyn Ross said...

DAWs are against the separation of church and state. Spurning free will, they want to employ LEGAL COERCION, rather than reason and persuasion, in the advancement of religion-based values.

Ilyn Ross said...

Life begins at conception = The sun revolves around the Earth.

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/conflict.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead." - [Thomas Paine, The Crisis, quoted in Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 1, p.127]

http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_TPaine.htm

Ilyn Ross said...

Behold the evil of DARK-AGES warriors: Life begins at conception = The sun revolves around the Earth.

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/conflict.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved." -Psalms 104:5

"The bible verse shackled the minds of men for thousands of years, and held back the advance of science. It was this verse that was used as evidence against Galileo, who argued for the theory of Copernicus, that the earth is not immovable, but rotates around the sun. It was for teaching this that he was called to Rome in 1633, and tried for the crime of heresy. The aged Galileo, in his 70's, was taken down into the dungeons of the church and shown the instruments of torture that were going to be used on him if he did not recant. Fearing the torture, and fearing that he might share the fate of Giordano Bruno, whom the church burned at the stake a generation earlier for the same crime, Galileo recanted the truth. He was confined to his home under house arrest, neither allowed to leave or to receive visitors, for the last seven years of his life."

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/conflict.html

Ilyn Ross said...

No one is taking away the rights of Tim Tebow to tebow in public, or of Joel Osteen to have religious events on tv. Do you agree with Washington that government is force? If yes, why do you want YOUR religion to be in bed with force?

Are you anti Jefferson? Palin is.

Ilyn Ross said...

Akin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyY0zp_zFc4

Ilyn Ross said...

Mourdock

http://www.politico.com/huddle/1012/huddle9307.html

Ilyn Ross said...

This cements it: Dr. Carson is a THEOCRACY warrior.

Taxation is akin to a military draft. it is coercion. In FREEDOM, a country has a volunteer army and it is financed by voluntary contributions.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=338298939610229&set=a.198312883608836.34844.198021666971291&type=1&theater

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin has expressly attacked Thomas Jefferson's wall of separation, twice: one is captured on video, the other is written in her book.

Palin said: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state..."

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=palin%27s+speech+with+the+women+of+joy&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b

“In her new book, "America by Heart," … Palin… is upset that Kennedy, rather than presenting a reconciliation of his private faith and his public role, had instead offered an "unequivocal divorce of the two."” -- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120303209.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - George Washington

Government, the state, is FORCE, yet Palin and her ilk lust to have their own religion IN BED with FORCE.

Palin has expressly attacked Thomas Jefferson's wall of separation, twice: one is captured on video, the other is written in her book.

Palin said: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state..."

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=palin%27s+speech+with+the+women+of+joy&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b

“In her new book, "America by Heart," … Palin… is upset that Kennedy, rather than presenting a reconciliation of his private faith and his public role, had instead offered an "unequivocal divorce of the two."” -- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120303209.html

Ilyn Ross said...

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." - signed by John Adams

US Treaty with Tripoli
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

"The principles on which we engaged, of which the charter of our independence is the record, were sanctioned by the laws of our being… Man [is] a rational animal, endowed by nature with rights… A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature…” -- Thomas Jefferson

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." - Thomas Jefferson

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin is a DARK-AGES warrior. She is not invoking Article VI, but attacking the wall that separates citizens from LEGAL COERCICE POWER. Every human has the right of conscience, not to be touched by the state.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - attributed to George Washington

Government, the state, is FORCE, yet Palin and her ilk lust to have their own religion IN BED with FORCE.

Ilyn Ross said...

Quoted by Rubio in the 2012 GOP Convention: the ANTI RIGHTS: "to whom much is given, much is expected" - http://pledge.gop.gov/

"To take from one bec. it is thought that his own industry & that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry & skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association - the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry & the fruits acquired by it." - Thomas Jefferson

Ilyn Ross said...

Alan Turing, an outstanding human who broke the Enigma code and saved his country and the world from the Nazis, was persecuted by the country he saved because homosexuality was illegal.

Those who hate gays or homosexuality are satanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

Ilyn Ross said...

Dark-Ages warriors support Dark-Ages warriors. [Carson]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-apologizes-to-employer-for-comparing-gay-marriage-with-bestiality-pedophilia/

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin is a DARK-AGES warrior. She is not invoking Article VI, but attacking the wall that separates citizens from LEGAL COERCICE POWER. Every human has the right of conscience, not to be touched by the state.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - attributed to George Washington

Government, the state, is FORCE, yet Palin and her ilk lust to have their own religion IN BED with FORCE.

Palin has expressly attacked Thomas Jefferson's wall of separation, twice: one is captured on video, the other is written in her book.

Palin said: "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state..."

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=palin%27s+speech+with+the+women+of+joy&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b

“In her new book, "America by Heart," … Palin… is upset that Kennedy, rather than presenting a reconciliation of his private faith and his public role, had instead offered an "unequivocal divorce of the two."” -- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/03/AR2010120303209.html

Ilyn Ross said...

A zygote has no bodily parts. Rand Paul lusts to COERCE pregnant girls and women.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rand-paul-promotes-bill-to-8216end-abortion-on-demand-once-and-for-all8217

Ilyn Ross said...

Rand Paul is a socialist and a THEOCRACY warrior. He says, “As a Christian, we are our brothers’ keepers and we do have a moral obligation to take care of them.”

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2011/02/senator-rand-paul/

Ilyn Ross said...

Rand Paul is anti Individual Rights, anti Declaration of Independence, a socialist, and a THEOCRACY warrior. He says, “As a Christian, we are our brothers’ keepers and we do have a moral obligation to take care of them.”

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2011/02/senator-rand-paul/

Ilyn Ross said...

Those who want coerced indoctrination or want their religion in bed with force/government do not go by Matthew 6:6 - But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, Akin, Sharron Angle, Mourdock, West, are the main reasons why BO and Reid are in power.

Because of the push for DARK-AGES warriors like Palin, freedom fighters have little chance of being voted into government.

Ilyn Ross said...

Those who want their religion in bed with force/government are for COERCION. They are ANTI BIBLE, specifically Matthew 6:6 -> "But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly."

Ilyn Ross said...

Those who want to impose God by using government are not only little tyrant wannabes. They are INSECURE, and ascribe insecurity to their satan.

God is omnipotent. He does not need government.

Ilyn Ross said...

One of the 10-Cs, says, "Thou shall not have strange gods before me." This is contrary to religious freedom: First Amendment and Article VI.

"The principles on which we engaged, of which the charter of our independence is the record, were sanctioned by the laws of our being… Man [is] a rational animal, endowed by nature with rights… A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature…” -- Thomas Jefferson

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." - signed by John Adams

US Treaty with Tripoli
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

"We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Govt." - James Madison

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions66.html

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013aa1q6QgM

Ilyn Ross said...

"I consider the Government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution of the United States from meddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises.... Civil powers alone have been given to the President of the United States, and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents."

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." - Thomas Jefferson

Ilyn Ross said...

The anti EQUAL rights evade that atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, deists, etc. have EQUAL rights. This means that in freedom, no laws can be based on any religion.

Ilyn Ross said...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=524454407601900&set=a.286622921385051.61655.286612614719415&type=1&theater

West is a self-described pragmatist, i.e. Progressive. He is a THEOCRACY warrior to boot.

Pragmatist -> Anti-reality. Anti-reason. One who blanks out the past, the future, the whys, the wherefores, and the hows.

http://ilynross.blogspot.com/2011/03/socialists-adults-demanding-to-be.html

Ilyn Ross said...

ALLEN WEST: “There is NOTHING in the Constitution that refers to a ‘separation of church and state’”

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/allen-west-there-is-nothing-in-the-constitution-that-refers-to-a-separation-of-church-and-state/

Government is FORCE, whereas God is in the realm of reason & persuasion. Legislators/government-people who would use COERCIVE POWER to advance their religion-based beliefs, & those who vote for them, have the MARK of EVIL: the advocacy or sanction of COERCION.

"A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular; and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inferences." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:388, Papers 12:440

Without the man who uttered the words "WALL OF SEPARATION between Church & State", tyrant-wannabes, like Palin, West, DeMint and their admirers, would be saying - "There are NO RIGHTS mentioned in the Constitution.

Ilyn Ross said...

Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, Akin, Sharron Angle, Mourdock, West, are the main reasons why BO and Reid are in power.

Because of the push for DARK-AGES warriors like Palin, and now Ben Carson who equates homosexuality with bestiality, freedom fighters have little chance of being voted into government.

Ilyn Ross said...

If Conservatives continue to push for DARK-AGES warriors, those against the separation of church and state, the Palins, Akins, and Mourdocks, and the likes of Ben Carson who equate homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia, the left will continue to win elections.

Ilyn Ross said...

In a nation that respects INDIVIDUAL Rights, a relationship with God can exist in only one way: individually. Like God's gift of free will, a relationship with God should not be COERCED.

Ilyn Ross said...

Ben Carson is a theocrat, who equates homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia.

Ilyn Ross said...

The US is in the sewers because of people pushing for DARK-AGES warriors, who have lost to Obama [McCain-Palin], to Reid, et al. Theocrats keep pushing for the likes of Akin and Mourdock.

Ilyn Ross said...

I do not care about one's personal beliefs. It is COERCION that I fight. Pushing a theocrat for the presidency is pushing for the DARK-AGES.

Ilyn Ross said...

One's personal beliefs are nobody's business. It is COERCION that I fight. Pushing a theocrat for the presidency is pushing for the DARK-AGES.

Ilyn Ross said...

Why the US Senate is in the sewers: Mourdock

http://www.politico.com/huddle/1012/huddle9307.html

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Why the US Senate is in the sewers: Akin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyY0zp_zFc4

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If the GOP's candidates are of the DARK-AGES, socialists and communists win.

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http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2013/10/values-voters-summit-selects-ted-cruz-as-their-annointed-one.html

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One's personal stand on anything is no one's business. I fight only those who want to coerce. Government is legal force. Those who want to use government to ram down coercion are evil. Be it religious, atheistic, or ANYTHING.

The theocrats are also socialists. Proof - their to whom much is given, much is expected mantra. Brazenly anti equal rights.

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What is Ted Cruz's stand on Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, specifically: "... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

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From Jim Matzger: Benjamin Franklin is known to have said, “Love thy neighbor, yet don’t pull down your hedge.” The idea that good fences make good neighbors is a lesson that theocrats never seem to learn.

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Theocrats are so buried in the DARK-AGES that they are blind to the ONLY government function stated in the Declaration of Independence. Certainly, that lone function is not ramming down the DARK-AGES.

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Second and third placers are Santorum, Mr. The pursuit of happiness harms America, and Ben Carson, who equates homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia.

http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2013/10/values-voters-summit-selects-ted-cruz-as-their-annointed-one.html

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“On behalf of our elderly Filipino American World War II veterans and members of our national advocacy organization, we demand your prompt apology and actions to remedy your ill-advised, and insulting televised statement last Wednesday,” said the veterans. “You compared yourself, senate colleagues and staff as ‘Bataan Death March’ survivors for having endured your 21-hour talk-athon.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSRKPfvF0k

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http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-radical-religious-friends-of.html

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That many continue to push for DARK-AGES warriors means that Killary Benghazi will win in 2016.

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Cruz says he’s “had two heroes in my life. My father and Ronald Reagan.” - See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/09/24/Decoding-Ted-Cruz-21-Things-You-Don-t-Know-About-Him#sthash.jYwWNwXh.dpuf

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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/09/24/Decoding-Ted-Cruz-21-Things-You-Don-t-Know-About-Him

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Those pushing for DARK-AGES warriors, like Palin, Rand Paul, Rubio, Santorum, Ben Carson, Allen West, and Ted Cruz, evade what happened to Ken Cuccinelli. Pushing for THEOCRATS gives victory to the kind of Obama and Killary.

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Ted Cruz is shamelessly anti speech.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruz-when-you-attack-me-youre-attacking-the-american-people/

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"Attacking HIM", not attacking a specific political principle that he espouses. He says that his hero, aside from his Dad, is Reagan. That means he admires raising the debt ceiling 18x and at least tripling the national debt, for starters. Reagan gave amnesty to millions, yet Cruz, I heard, is not for amnesty.

Cruz is brazen in trying to silence people.

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Bogus quote according to:

http://www.mountvernon.org/.../spurious-quotations

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Bogus quote according to:

http://www.mountvernon.org/educational-resources/encyclopedia/spurious-quotations

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http://rationalrant.blogspot.com/2011/11/david-bartons-unconfirmed-quotationsthe.html

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Mel Saxton's comment on the linked article: "Unfortunately, this is one of those laws that can also be found in the Laws of Moses in Deuteronomy. Upon permission by the girls father the rapist is required to take her as a wife for life."

http://networkedblogs.com/RlJKb

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The US is not a theocracy. In freedom, individuals can choose to be Christians/etc., but wielders of legal coercion do not declare that the nation is Christian, or Muslim, or ...

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"The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved." -Psalms 104:5

"The bible verse shackled the minds of men for thousands of years, and held back the advance of science. It was this verse that was used as evidence against Galileo, who argued for the theory of Copernicus, that the earth is not immovable, but rotates around the sun. It was for teaching this that he was called to Rome in 1633, and tried for the crime of heresy. The aged Galileo, in his 70's, was taken down into the dungeons of the church and shown the instruments of torture that were going to be used on him if he did not recant. Fearing the torture, and fearing that he might share the fate of Giordano Bruno, whom the church burned at the stake a generation earlier for the same crime, Galileo recanted the truth. He was confined to his home under house arrest, neither allowed to leave or to receive visitors, for the last seven years of his life."

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/conflict.html

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King George III called himself Christian, yet he obtruded slavery on the American colonies. This is the slavery denunciation in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, deleted when SC said it would scuttle the Resolution for Independence if the slavery section is not removed:

"He (King George III) has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation hither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the LIBERTIES of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the LIVES of another."

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1972 – In Eisenstadt v. Baird, the United States Supreme Court decides that unmarried persons have the right to possess contraceptives.

So, prior to 1972, it was illegal for unmarried couples to possess/use contraceptives.

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"Of all the tyrannies that afflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013aa1q6QgM

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Rand Paul is a Dark-Ages warrior -

http://www.policymic.com/articles/30223/rand-paul-abortion-bill-life-at-conception-act-would-outlaw-abortion

Rand Paul is a socialist and a THEOCRACY warrior. He says, “As a Christian, we are our brothers’ keepers and we do have a moral obligation to take care of them.”

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2011/02/senator-rand-paul/

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Ted Cruz says that his hero is Reagan. If you are going by Ayn Rand policies - look up what she said about Reagan.

This is from Dr. Peikoff - "The outstanding political fact of the 1980s is the rise of the New Right, and its penetration of the Republican party under President Reagan.... What we are seeing is the medievalism of the Puritans all over again, but without their excuse of ignorance. We are seeing it on the part of modern Americans, who live not before the Founding Fathers' heroic experiment in liberty, but after it."

http://books.google.com/books?id=OsCSArJxIRwC&pg=PT67&lpg=PT67&dq=%22The+outstanding+political+fact+of+the+1980s+is+the+rise+of+the+New+Right%22&source=bl&ots=n7CPlWZI1Q&sig=DNMOF0WNyoTasXpYK9vwzBJRVrM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0JdKU5GOPOvMsQSWqICwAQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20outstanding%20political%20fact%20of%20the%201980s%20is%20the%20rise%20of%20the%20New%20Right%22&f=false

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Matthew 6:5-6 (New International Version) - Prayer - “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

http://www.flatheadnewsgroup.com/hungryhorsenews/supreme-court-ruling-supports-theocracy-in-america/article_5cf8949a-d480-11e3-b0a1-001a4bcf887a.html

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI

Santorum

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"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/.../amendI_religions45.html

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West is for a theocracy.

"Of all the tyrannies that afflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." - Thomas Paine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013aa1q6QgM

Unable to conceive of winning wars through technology, disregarding the facts that George Washington's ragtag army defeated a mighty empire and that Israel has been defeating all its neighbors combined, West holds that the US birth rate is a national emergency. Imagine a Patriot Act on procreation.

Undisciplined in possessing power, he was charged and fined by the military.

West is anti First Amendment, through and through -

@ 0:39 - "censOring"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsUoQpOKlLw...

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the WikiLeaks exposés are embarrassing and awkward but would not significantly complicate US foreign policy. Yet, tyrant-wannabes PUFF UP with POWER LUST.

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“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79864.html#ixzz37bD5AScd

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Why the US Senate is in the sewers: Mourdock

http://www.politico.com/huddle/1012/huddle9307.html

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Dark-Ages warriors are calling the following blasphemous: "God takes pleasure when we’re happy. So I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy."

Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/08/joel-osteens-wife-accused-of-blasphemous-remarks/#TYyX8uwxlwmyL1Ae.99

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"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination." - Thomas Jefferson

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

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Steve Schmidt’s brutally honest assessment of Sarah Palin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/steve-schmidts-brutally-honest-assessment-of-sarah-palin/2011/03/04/gIQA9ewZ7R_blog.html